Bros,

I need experienced advice here...Today damn sui, I was stopped by one police ambush at the LDP-MRR2 junction on my way to Sungai Buloh. I asked the cop what the reason was, he said for not wearing safety belt. To his embarrassment, he immediately saw that my safety belt was fastened (which was fastened all along all the time). Immediately, he accused me that i just put on the safety belt after being caught, he said his colleague that hide at the junction some 10m earlier saw no safety belt. I swear, I honestly got the safety on all the time. The car is also equiped with safety belt warning feature, and no way i can forget fastening safety belt.

So, I plan to challenge the summon...need advice on how to proceed. Thanks.

Did u sign on d saman? If u did, bad move, i think.

with a good lawyer you still can turn around.

With a good lawyer and the lancer, should be no issues... who can drive with a sane mind with that beeping alarm?

bwtc,

I did sign the summon as "penerima", not confession. I dun see problem, and tats why i signed it.

Anyhow, the summon say court date is 21/2 at PJ Majistret...i will take leave to fight it. Need to fight for my Keadilan!!!

Ok, gd luck bro.

Suggest you give your lawyer a ride in the lancer and furnish your manual too.

sigh... that's the common hideout that those MIB catch their victim. My friend kena once before, he said my friend didn't wear safety belt also. But my friend told him the safety belt is always ON because his civic also got the Beep Beep buzzer warning sound... however, the MIB keep on argue with him, at last... $$$ settle the issue......

bro, I wish you good luck and hopefully you are on your own business or something. I don't think the 1st time you attend the court can settle this issue... you expect to take more annual leave from your company if you are employed. This kind of court case could be drag till few months or years... good luck again!

This is Malaysia, our BOLEHLAND!

i don think lawyer is needed in this case, drive you lancer there , let it speaks for you in court....i don believe a judge is stupid .....

Bro, easy! What i always do is i keep looking at his number, then pretend to write down(which i really wrote down) on a piece of paper, and then said go to court together and then you will appeal kau kau.

I will not sign anything, not even as penerima. He wants to play, i also can play. SHIT HIM!

you signing is usually acceptance of the offense.

next time, don't sign. ask them to send to your house together with all relevant "evidence".

many people do not know this, but when you sign the summons, you are generally accepting that you were at fault. You may fight it during the trial - but its a long complicated process.

if you're innocent, don't sign the summons. just ask them to send it to your address listed on your driving license. usually they will back off if they know that you did not commit an offense as it is then your word against theirs.

Bros,

Thanks for feedbacks.

u can celen it... we support u...

I used to have bad experience with traffic cops also. Same thing, accuse me for offences I didn't commit. The lesson I learnt is don't be afraid to tell them you didn't commit the offence and be confident about it. Do not budge. Look at the number and if have friends along get the friend to copy their number. Don't sign and ask them to post. some times they just let me go after I disputed the summon...

Road block at Taman xxx at 2am (1 month ago)

T junction stop & wait green light to turn right...

Finally green light than start turning loh...& reach d road block..

en. xxx: park tepi

mi: dont play with mi tonight..not in good mood (talk to myself)

en. xxx: kenapa tak berhenti. lampu merah mesti henti la

mi: dont u start (talk to myself)... look at his name tag & number tag for few second without answer his question

en. xxx: IC..License

mi: handed over without talking stilllll (eyes still with his name & number tag)

en xxx: checking my number plate at front

mi: get my M16 ready ... oh..no is my handphone..

en xxx: kenapa tak henti

mi: jadi saya ingat saya color blind la...tapi saya ada henti tunggu lampu hijau baru jalan

en xxx: jadi color blind macam mana boleh dapat license

mi: OK than ..want play lets play (talk to myself).. LOUD & CLEAR Encik xxx..& i read out his number ..saya ada henti sampai lampu tukar hijau baru jalan ..than start key in his detail in my handphone

en xxx: encik nak cari fight kah

mi: start my soft tone ..saya sudah cakap..saya ada henti

en xxx: pass back my IC & License & just walk away back to his nix target

wat can i say more...is bolehland la...but he got wrong timing & target...too bad



wish u goodluck & win yr case.

As, as long as you see and copy his number, his balls will start to shrink!!

Hey Kingglim. Let me do some asking around and I'll get back to you. I believe you can still challenge the summons but I want to check my info first before telling you anything. (just in case I got it wrong )

good luck bro kingglim, do inform us on the outcome of your appeal.

Yeah man .... to many a times kena "pressured" into submission/admission ........ arrrrggggh.

Would be keen to know the outcome as well, so tat we know how to "counter-pressure" them MIB instead !!!

Since every year i have excess leave got forfeited...i dun mind take days off to court to challenge the summon. They want to play, then play.

If I really salah, I would have admitted Sui Chai loh...this one absolute is abuse of power, saw me with safety belt on and dare to accuse me somemore...cannot swallow this one that easy!!!

Thanks for support

The problem I see is .. they have 2 people from same gang, and you are only one. Both of them can cover each other to make you eat "dead cat". But you have no proof to protect yourself eventhough you are at the right side. I heard many of such stories, it is very sad to see the abuse of their power.

Any one know how to appeal traffic summons for lower fine? Bro ben?

Yeah you have our absolute support, some times you just can't take whatever shit and swallow it. We have to let them know that we are not small kids that can be simply bullied.

Bro,

I get a runner to do mine.

hmmm... unlike speeding tickets which they could show you a picture taken by their speed gun and the speed of the car.

this seat belt thing is total bullshit. i doubt they can provide any proof for it.

hard to do appeal. but u can go to those malay firm , pensuruhan to write a letter for u to reduc the fine.

Bros,

Actually, I have been told that I can go to the respective Balai, find the Inspector and get the fine reduced before the court date. However, I find this falsely summon people thing is total wrong against ethics, rules and economics. The more we allow it, even with discount on fine, the more the police will do it when their bonus appraisal come. We all know the cops actually receive commission on the summons they issue. Discount we receive today will feed into the vicious cycle of lifetime police harassment and wrongful summons.

appealing for a discount is also admission of guilt. if you know you're not wrong, don't sign anything. Tell them to send it to your house.

I've seen cases in court where the judge will ask back "kalau you tak salah, kenapa sign?" I don't think it is stated clearly anywhere, but there must be a reason why they make you sign the summons.

kingglim, this is what I've found out.

1. Signing the summons is an acknowledgment of receipt and NOT an admission of guilt.
2. Your summon can be challenged in court even though there are 3 police witness against you (1 witness)

There are several points you can use to challenge the summons in court but you will need to be very clear in your memory of the events and surroundings at the time since you are the only witness in your favour. I'm going to list the points down for consideration and you can decide which ones you can or cannot use in your defence:

1. Where were the spotters standing when the claimed to have saw you without a belt?
2. Did they have a clear line of sight of you and your belt. More importantly was it physically possible to see your seat belt from where they were standing
3. The colour of the GT interior is black and so is your seat belt. Could that have possibly made it difficult for the spotters to see the belt?
4. Did you have any tinting on the windshield and windows that might have made it even more difficult to see? Was there enough daylight at the time?
5. Were the cops wearing dark glasses? Could this have made it impossible to see the black seat belt against the GT's dark interior?
6. Which side of the road were the spotters standing on? Would they have had a clear view of your belt from that location?
7. Were there any other vehicles around at the time that were similar to your car that might have confused the spotters? Could there have been a lorry or another vehicle that may have temporarily blocked the spotters view?
8. Was traffic moving fast or slow at the time? Given the vehicle speed and the spotters location, was there enough time for the spotters to get good look to confirm that you were not wearing a belt? How much time did they have to look for a belt? 1 minute? 30 seconds? 1 second? How much time do they need to really confirm you are wearing a belt?
9. How far away were the spotters standing from your car when they saw you were not wearing a belt? It is possible to see the belt from that distance? How much of the belt could they see? Only the top of the belt over your shoulder or the whole length?
10. How does the spotter identify your vehicle to the detaining officer. Did they use radios to communicate number plates or just used vague descriptions like red car? Was there a similar car (like a red Volvo S40) nearby yours that might have confused them?
11. Was the operation to detain vehicles conducted to standard police procedures? Was it authorised by an officer with the authority and jurisdiction to conduct traffic operations in that area?

These are just some of the points you can bring to the charge to weaken the police case against you. So even though there may be 3 witness but if you can show that the 3 policemen were not meticulous or were sloppy in their work you can attack their credibility and weaken the case against you. You may choose to represent yourself or get a lawyer. In both cases your memory of the events will have to be crystal clear and you must be consistent in your answers. You cannot afford to have any contradictions in your statements and recollection of the events that day. Look for inconsistencies from the police side and you should be able to attack them on those points.

Hope that helps!

Skadi!!! Are you a lawyer?

Thank you for the points. Now the police will scare like hell.
Absolute good points. I will need to remember the points by hard.
KgingLim, note all the points and all the best in court!

i have wanted to give my little menial 2 cents but i guess skadi got all the stuff right.... my lawyer fren once tell me so, you dont really need to hire a lawyer to fend of these wolves.

yes, kinglim - you can see the inspector (the officers there will point you to his office). you can write a letter of appeal just in case. nowadays they rarely look but just stamp straight away on the summon. runner is definitely easiest, usually get 30-50% off. (actually nowadays only 30%, dont know why)

Haha... No I'm not a lawyer. Just a plain old engineer.

Actually, I may not be able to challenge the summon if it is speeding summon, but safety belt is no way.

Ha ha, we may soon want to have a special section for legal advisory for members...challenging speeding tickets!!

Actually speeding tickets can be challenged in a similar way to the belt fine that you received. The police in Malaysia aren't exactly that competent plus the equipment they use have limitations which can bring ambiguity to the case.

Correct. My friend was stopped, and the police showed him that he sped. My friend asked for proof. They showed him a white Honda car, my friend driving a black Chevrolet Optra. Celaka! The cop still insisted that it's his car!!! Damn...!! My friend told them to stop the crap!

My friend walked away free at last.

An Update,

I went for the court today...guess what, the court clerk said no court today?!! The court is only on Mon, Tue and Wed...the joker traffic cop put invalid court date on my summon. Will go back again on Wed, 27 Feb.

Malaysia boleh!

traffic cop boleh!!

King, I have to salute you for Standing up to the justice. Many of us would have just turn off by the annoyance and pay kopi-o straightaway but I know this is not the solution. We have to make change. If we continue letting the Man-in-Blue bully us and simply issue saman to us, the problem is going to continue. You have my full support here and you showed a great example.

Geezzz,,,y the cops always hunt down sports car...grrrr.....

When no fault and confident can prove no fault and have plenty of time to play with the cop, we should challenge. Cops here are so used to not being challenged, they suka suka issue summon, expecting people will either pay kopi $$ or pay discount compound (paying discount compound also means you admit fault). Cannot let the cops build habit of summon happy. VOTE FOR ROCKET, PKR, PAS!!!

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