terion
Jun 3 2010, 05:26 PM
QUOTE
f***k BHP!!!!! f***k BHP!!! why? let me tell you!!
this morning approx 3.20am, at Cheras Tmn Pertama roundabout,
saw a freak accident, involving a Vios, Myvi and a Lorry.
im one the first badge who arrive, mean it just happen maybe seconds ago.
Vios believe to be turtle and badly damaged. When im passing by the vios, rear passenger started to pull out the front driver and front passenger.
then when i pass the Myvi, the car was totally sardine. Heard one girl was yelling cos piined inside. I stop my car then run towards the myvi to offer a hand while calling 999 emergency line to request for ambulance and bomba.
then saw fire spark at the engine bay of myvi. while still on the phone with emergency line to provide more details, i run back to my car and drive to BHP station which is just less than 500m away from the scene.
then i request for the fire extingusher from the attendant which is kept inside. There was 4 extingusher on the ground. But the attendant refuse to pass to me.
the BHP attendant claimed dat the door cant be open.
then i shout at him, i need it! i want it! someone is pinned inside the car and its started to burn!
then the BHP attendant keep repeating he kenot borrow and open the door.
then i was like WTF! if ur kiosk is burning can u come out? then he replied yes.
then he still say he kenot open the door. Then he say his boss wont allowed to borrow. WTF!!!
then i started to amuk kicking the kiosk and punching the glass of the kiosk.
i even throw my IC to him say that if im dun return u report police.
i saw i borrow.. if i use it i will pay for it. then he keep on just smile at me.
then he ask another partner to come out. Then i start shouting and yelling at them with bad words saying dat if the girl dies you two are the murderer.
then the 2nd BHP attendant shout back at me.
i demand for their names, i told them i would complain bout them,
then the 2nd attendant copy down my number plate and said that all my acts been recorded on CCTV and he gonna report to police tumoro. I challenged him.
then i drove off back to the scene.. the car was totally burning and the poor girl was burn alive inside.
then i spoke to the Bomba and PDRM how many casualties was inside. they told me one girl.
Then i spoke to PDRM about the incident happen in BHP.. then the policemen also scold with anger WTF with them.. if i could get the fire extingushier.. the girl might be saved.
then the Policemen ask me to go police station to report a cover about the BHP, and he assured me that the stupid BHP wont get to report on me.
Personally i would like to ask, how much does 4 fire extingusher cost? isit more expensive than a life?
would like to ask the BHP petrol station's boss! u cant afford to lose 4 fire extingusher then u better closed down your station!!!! f***k you boss!!!!
and this is to BHP MALAYSIA!! seens your procedure to keep all safety gadget inside the kiosk... if anything happen during refueling... is your attendant gonna open the door to help? seens he claimed that the door cant be open after hours??
f***k YOU BHP!!! f***k YOU!!!
i personally from now on will boycott BHP... i dont know how about you all!!!
gonna give BHP HQ a call tumoro... see what the f***k will they say about this kind of safety measurement they have!!!!!
for the two BHP attendant!!! you are the murderer!!!!!
sos tiram:
http://www.facebook.com/tanaterence?v=wall...3533&ref=mfother links
http://me.zestful.org/2010/06/accident-on-...y-bhp-incident/http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsgeneral.php?id=503227http://ondscene.blogspot.com/2010/06/mangs...lum-hangus.html
Economist
Jun 3 2010, 05:31 PM
sigh...................i really dunno who...put a poll up?
terion
Jun 3 2010, 05:38 PM
added poll... if need more options let me know..
applemac
Jun 3 2010, 05:50 PM
i voted for the writer
rewlie
Jun 3 2010, 05:53 PM
The two attendants suppose to go out, one of them hold that person IC while one more take out the fire extinguisher and follow that guy, no harm to save lives..
And gov should now enforce fire extinguisher in car as a mandatory, well i have one.
ettan28
Jun 3 2010, 05:55 PM
is this the same bhp where earlier the girl honda jazz crashed into?
terion
Jun 3 2010, 05:58 PM
applemac.. y u say writer? she should find another place to get fire extinguisher?
rewlie, probably the attendants was not malaysian n they scared their boss tiu them? anyway they should have though of that..
et not sure la..
beagle
Jun 3 2010, 06:14 PM
Simple case of people blindly following the book. Sad, but not exactly wrong.
The one to blame would be the person who caused the accident. Vios, lorry or maybe even Myvvi.
terion
Jun 3 2010, 06:17 PM
beagle added that option in...
Infinity
Jun 3 2010, 06:17 PM
first of all, is this 'story' true or not ? i have been hearing a lot of 'stories' on BHP in cheras. Don't know why.
Koonx
Jun 3 2010, 06:17 PM
the one who causes the accident is at fault. Malaysia emergency service is at fault.
terion
Jun 3 2010, 06:18 PM
its true... apparently some members heard it over the fly fm radio this morning...
robtan
Jun 3 2010, 06:47 PM
if my hse got fire extinguisher, i buy it to help if my hse on fire. if got ppl run to me say got fire somewhere n need my extinguisher, i want to c d fire first.
i think bhp act good. extinguisher there for use there, cannot give if got something fire said by stranger. now, everything also can steal n sell.
terion
Jun 3 2010, 06:48 PM
updated new links with photo, chk first post
eldiablo
Jun 3 2010, 06:58 PM
saw this on lowyat net - got like 20+ pages in 1/2 day... HOT HOT HOT...
there's always 2 sides to the story - imagine you're in the petrol station at 3++ am and suddenly got this person shouting, asking for help. nowadays got lots of schemes to rob petrol stations too.
I was glad that someone tried to help.... at least we still have some caring malaysians.
just wondering:
- where were the tow trucks that normally appear SOOO quickly?
- is it right to blame the entire company for something 2 lowly paid employees did?
- does a "duty of care" come into play here?
- should everyone play a role in carrying fire extinguishers? sometimes one is not enough....
accident at 3am? hope they run tox screen on the vios driver... maybe sleepy also kua...
on the other hand if it was me in the car - and no one was able to help.... such a pity for the loss to the family.
RGT788
Jun 3 2010, 08:01 PM
rewlie is good suggestion ... we shld react smart on case to case...those 2 guy shld be very low IQ lo...
500m , just send 1 ppl to the spot and help la...
really appreciate the one help ... although ....fail at end
but imagine nows a day, how many ppl will stop and offer helping hand ?? look 4D got a lot la...
I really frustrated and may get more aggressive than the writer...
may be i will brake the glass ...
fick
Jun 3 2010, 08:07 PM
the blame should goes to the idiot vios. why the fcuk is he driving that dangerously when he cant even control him self...
i say the vios deserve to die too... a shot to his head in front of public will do enaugh lesson for malaysian...
i'm very angry after i read the news....
it's a procedure of petrol station to never let their fire extinguishers for any purpose other than their own uses...
so we cant blame BHP. or else, go to any other petrol station, if they're willing to let go the fire extinguishers, then the blame goes to BHP as well...
even plaza toll wont give away their fire extinguishers...
the man who tried to save that women have my respect...
guys. imagine if the 1 in that myvi was your loves 1...
terion
Jun 3 2010, 08:11 PM
Fick, if that was the case the door long time broken already if it was me n probably shuff away anyone trying to stop me...
EvoX
Jun 3 2010, 08:49 PM
woah this must be the guy who called fly fm to relay his experience...
terion
Jun 3 2010, 08:55 PM
suresh
Jun 3 2010, 09:30 PM
this really sucks big time man...WTF...how could those two idiots at BHP ever respond in that way..really MTF's of the highest order...

.....bastards to let a life just slip away like that....
so sad to read this..really tragic....
Jaguarah
Jun 3 2010, 10:04 PM
Fuzalancergt
Jun 3 2010, 10:19 PM
person who cause an accident larr.. in driving exam also ask.. 'its raining and someone driving in the middle of dark night then accident?' whos to blame?
a) car
b) rain
c) driver
d) dark night..
coreect answer of coz the driver...
RGT788
Jun 3 2010, 10:42 PM
I think accident ... non of us or can said non of the driver want
some driver don't know how the accident will happen and just know how to heavy tekan minyak ...
just like a 3 yrs kid just want the speed ... of coz .. thats not RIGHT.
but this is the other topic, education for driving on the road need to be more effective.
now the issue is, bcoz of procedure, ppl IQ ... some cool blood stupid ppl...
a life had gone ..... really sad ... sad...
we are not looking for responsible party, but the ppl in front line handle the problem.
if we want to blame, just start from : who create the car ? is stupid, rite? ...
Road accident - refer to Lalulintas Act Malaysia.
Saving life ... public responsibility
separate issue ... my personal opinion.
nofear1979
Jun 4 2010, 01:57 AM
hm..... d*mn sad to hear this....
KING
Jun 4 2010, 02:36 AM
Multiple faults...
- Drivers also ada fault... but not sure MyVi hit lorry or the other way
- Petrol station management... stupid selfish policy that protect their own staff only even if putting other ppl at risk... not only this case, in many cases of robbery petrol staff will just leave victims assaulted, some dun even bother to call police
- Petrol station staff... not using their brain or simply too kiasi, they only care for themselves
- Society... street crime is so bad forcing petrol station to have such stupid selfish policy and petrol station staff too kiasi to help
- Perodua... I think i have read not just this one but quite many accident news that MyVi burn upon collision, especially rear-end collision... becoz MyVi dun have boot as cushion, rear-end collision often straight-a-way damage the tank (under back seat) and the fuel linkages, perodua needs to improve the petrol tank design to protect it more,
gintell
Jun 4 2010, 08:29 AM
The one at fault is the one caused the accident.
The others are not nor are they obliged to assist (passer-bys, bhp attendants, emergency services, etc). They owe no duty of care, nor were they negligent in conducting their duties (in the case of emergency services).
Please consult a lawyer to get things into the right perspective.
Alternatively, the various forum should get together and mount a suit under tort law and see how far that gets you.
onslaught
Jun 4 2010, 08:52 AM
lalalalaala...why there is no bomba/firefighter included inside the list?
rewlie
Jun 4 2010, 09:04 AM
QUOTE(gintell @ Jun 4 2010, 08:29 AM)

The one at fault is the one caused the accident.
The others are not nor are they obliged to assist (passer-bys, bhp attendants, emergency services, etc). They owe no duty of care, nor were they negligent in conducting their duties (in the case of emergency services).
Please consult a lawyer to get things into the right perspective.
Alternatively, the various forum should get together and mount a suit under tort law and see how far that gets you.
If it's mechanical failure, should we blame the driver also? no?
Follow the book of h*ll law, and you should straight away go to h*ll, this is the example of 21st century, everybody just take d*mn care of their stupid business, even next door neighbor die also dunno.
If we like US, of course we can, but this is Malaysia.. well u know.
weiking
Jun 4 2010, 09:39 AM
I can imagine this, you go into the station to ask whether can borrow extinguisher, he stares at you blankly. Then you point to the extinguisher, you look back at him, he shakes his head. You try to explain why you need the extinguisher, try speaking in English, try speaking in Bahasa. He just gives you a blur look and smile and says something simple like "no, no. Boss say no" *shakes head*. You raise your voice, shout and show them your I/C. One person just smiles thinking you crazy and the other one shout back at you.
Don't you get that sometimes when you wanna ask a security guard (normally foreign workers) there about something and they just gives you a blank smile or just reply "yes yes" or "no no" when that is what you're asking? You know you're totally wasting your time asking. I blame the attendants and BHP for putting such people there who just cannot carry out a simple task.
medowance
Jun 4 2010, 09:49 AM
Setup car boycott at the Cheras BHP station with our lancergt by parking the whole surrounding compound for a day so they will not have business income foe that particular day till bhp cheras makes public apologies rather giving facking excuse, "The staff was assaulted before and saying Teo was not acting calmy" FACK BHP
gintell
Jun 4 2010, 09:52 AM
The law is there for a reason. Go read up tort law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TortTeo is actually in alot of trouble when he decided to help.
If the family members of the victim wishes claim compenstation, they can sue Teo (bhp). Because he chose to help, and failed in the process, the victim's family can sue him for negligence.
medowance
Jun 4 2010, 10:10 AM
Teo is a by stander who wish to help and he's not a BHP staff leh....
plus if Tort is apply to teo, it can be apply to PDRM and the fire fighting dept as the Police station and fire dept is not far from the roundabout.
I agree Teo will be sue but not from the family but from BHP for defamation.
As a public, I support Teo's action is correct. In life and death situation, there is no right or wrong. There is no time for hesitation. No matter how hard he try to safe the lady and fail.. do you think he will sleep well? For me as a reader... I felt regret as we were not there and unable to help as well. Just hope the decease may rest in peace and BHP in PIECES!!!!!!!!!!!
Shahir
Jun 4 2010, 10:12 AM
QUOTE(gintell @ Jun 4 2010, 09:52 AM)

The law is there for a reason. Go read up tort law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TortTeo is actually in alot of trouble when he decided to help.
If the family members of the victim wishes claim compenstation, they can sue Teo (bhp). Because he chose to help, and failed in the process, the victim's family can sue him for negligence.
Come on laaaaa ..... in this situation, are u rather blamming TEO becouse he is sincerely wanna help the girl .... the law also sometimes stupid ..... don't always follow the book.... so from now... please LGTC members... BOYCOT BHP......
Moral : Please ready a fire extinggusher in our car . its good for us and others too ......
gintell
Jun 4 2010, 10:16 AM
Whatever it is, you better know the law for your own sake.
That is the moral of the story.
weiking
Jun 4 2010, 10:43 AM
QUOTE(gintell @ Jun 4 2010, 09:52 AM)

The law is there for a reason. Go read up tort law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TortTeo is actually in alot of trouble when he decided to help.
If the family members of the victim wishes claim compenstation, they can sue Teo (bhp). Because he chose to help, and failed in the process, the victim's family can sue him for negligence.
No wonder nobody bothers to help. Looks like the law is there to make the world a worse place to live in.
butterflykisses
Jun 4 2010, 10:59 AM
yup i heard this news in fly fm... i think i will keep fire extinguisher in my car.
LancerInspired
Jun 4 2010, 11:12 AM
instead of writing all the blames , blame BHP, blame Teo, blame bomba, blame vios driver, can we start looking for a group buy of fire extinguisher....
butterflykisses
Jun 4 2010, 11:18 AM
QUOTE(LancerInspired @ Jun 4 2010, 11:12 AM)

instead of writing all the blames , blame BHP, blame Teo, blame bomba, blame vios driver, can we start looking for a group buy of fire extinguisher....
good idea
Teo is doing the right thing. I praise him for his quick unselfish action. Usually people will just slow down, try to peep, take down the car number, jamn up the whole place... those barger just make things worst ! If I'm angry, i will burn paper monies to that girl, say sorry that I have done my best, allow reporter to take picture and all this is done in front of BHP !!!
fick
Jun 4 2010, 11:19 AM
lets imagine that our self is the family of lady. are we gonna sue Teo just because he failed to rescue the lady eventhough he already tried his best???
how if everybody there just do nothing, and dont bother trying to help the lady. then no 1 will get sue. do u think that will make things better???
i say again. imagine that lady was our family. u can only say about law because it's not happening to u or your family...
p.s- LAW vs HUMANITY... and i vote for humanity...
wanna make a poll???
terion
Jun 4 2010, 01:03 PM
Jaguarah
Jun 4 2010, 01:35 PM
QUOTE(robtan @ Jun 3 2010, 06:47 PM)

if my hse got fire extinguisher, i buy it to help if my hse on fire. if got ppl run to me say got fire somewhere n need my extinguisher, i want to c d fire first.i think bhp act good. extinguisher there for use there, cannot give if got something fire said by stranger. now, everything also can steal n sell.
everything is subjective, in reality there are no hard and fast rules....
BHP's act IS good, but IS NO GOOD when it indirectly COST A HUMAN LIFE....
please dun talk about steal and sell here, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN LIFE!!!!!
QUOTE(gintell @ Jun 4 2010, 08:29 AM)

The one at fault is the one caused the accident.The others are not nor are they obliged to assist (passer-bys, bhp attendants, emergency services, etc). They owe no duty of care, nor were they negligent in conducting their duties (in the case of emergency services).Please consult a lawyer to get things into the right perspective.Alternatively, the various forum should get together and mount a suit under tort law and see how far that gets you.
U talk as if u r a lawyer, so from ur POV u think the accident was caused ON PURPOSE?
who can confidently say that he/she will not get involved in any MVA for his/her whole life?
Accidents HAPPEN, and when they do we need EMERGENCY measures....
Please tell me that u r NOT GOING TO JUST WALK AWAY if u see a car with a young lady start to catch fire in front of u, that u're just going to ignore her screams for help and walk on through ur life as if nothing just happened.....
have u seen death(s) with ur own eyes?
when u give comments as such it makes people wonder.....
wat if all the emergency healthcare workers practise as such?
who will u depend on when u r on the brink of life and death? urself??????????
QUOTE(gintell @ Jun 4 2010, 10:16 AM)

Whatever it is, you better know the law for your own sake.That is the moral of the story.
so u better learn medicine for ur own sake, cos the next time u get very sick and is at the brink of dying no-one is gonna help u, so u better do CPR on urself
silent7killer
Jun 4 2010, 01:36 PM
my opinion, the 1 who caused the accident is at fault... we cant really blame the petrol attendant's stupidity and uselessness.. as u all know, they are like a nail.. if u dun hit them with a hammer, they wont move... from wat the BHP chairman said, they were juz being cautious, a lot of robberies la, were beaten be4 la... all COMPLETE RUBBISH LA..! would him, himself, be calm if a car was on fire??? furthermore, the petrol station is not more than 500m... CANT the petrol attendant heard the impact sound? car colliding with the curb, railings, lamp post, other cars, and etc...? im sure if u're less than 500m away from an accident, sleeping, u would also heard the collision?? and if some1 came and ask for help, u would at least hav an idea wats going on... may the woman RIP la....
drive safely....
silent7killer
Jun 4 2010, 01:51 PM
QUOTE(gintell @ Jun 4 2010, 09:52 AM)

The law is there for a reason. Go read up tort law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TortTeo is actually in alot of trouble when he decided to help.
If the family members of the victim wishes claim compenstation, they can sue Teo (bhp). Because he chose to help, and failed in the process, the victim's family can sue him for negligence.
bro, i see u're good in law?? a lawyer perhaps?? hmmm...
juz curious here... would u sue some1 for helping, lets say 1 of ur family member in an accident (touch wood) and failed in the process?? and let say tat fella did a good job in dragging female driver(family member) out of the car?? would u sue him for sexual harassment?? coz he touched the women??? and do u hav the time to think of this when tat happened???
hmmmm... ponders*
no offense tho...
khusyairi
Jun 4 2010, 04:35 PM
As a conclusion 4 me, Gintell is the one who can be blame and sued coz Gintell fail in the process, he never try to explain to Teo about Tort law although he know & choose to help by just explain to us. Gintell also fail to explain to victim about Tort law while accident victim asking for help.

PS: Dont ever try to help Gintell/ defend Gintell unless you want to be sued by him.
nofear1979
Jun 4 2010, 05:12 PM
QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 4 2010, 04:35 PM)

As a conclusion 4 me, Gintell is the one who can be blame and sued coz Gintell fail in the process, he never try to explain to Teo about Tort law although he know & choose to help by just explain to us. Gintell also fail to explain to victim about Tort law while accident victim asking for help.

PS: Dont ever try to help Gintell/ defend Gintell unless you want to be sued by him.
yes should have told us...
Gintel is here for a reason...
alxand_mitsubishi
Jun 4 2010, 05:33 PM
i still remember when i was a kid, the fire extinguisher slight smaller than 1.5L coke manage to stop an old car engine from burning...
who wan start group buy? since my dad in tat business (construction-fire system) i try ask him jalan
Fuzalancergt
Jun 4 2010, 05:56 PM
QUOTE(khusyairi @ Jun 4 2010, 04:35 PM)

As a conclusion 4 me, Gintell is the one who can be blame and sued coz Gintell fail in the process, he never try to explain to Teo about Tort law although he know & choose to help by just explain to us. Gintell also fail to explain to victim about Tort law while accident victim asking for help.

PS: Dont ever try to help Gintell/ defend Gintell unless you want to be sued by him.
If people sueing each other also not good. That innocent girl will not come back. Her family also not happy. Thing happened. So just pray for that 'gal' rest in peace.
RGT788
Jun 4 2010, 08:42 PM
QUOTE(gintell @ Jun 4 2010, 09:52 AM)

The law is there for a reason. Go read up tort law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TortTeo is actually in alot of trouble when he decided to help.If the family members of the victim wishes claim compenstation, they can sue Teo (bhp). Because he chose to help, and failed in the process, the victim's family can sue him for negligence.
simple , if you are driving the car behind and follow the victim who is your be loved one .After the accident happen, do you stay there and refer to which Law tell you can do ? what procedure to follow ? by the way, you are not wrong as that victim is not related to you, we just imagine if ...
QUOTE(medowance @ Jun 4 2010, 09:49 AM)

Setup car boycott at the Cheras BHP station with our lancergt by parking the whole surrounding compound for a day so they will not have business income foe that particular day till bhp cheras makes public apologies rather giving facking excuse, "The staff was assaulted before and saying Teo was not acting calmy" FACK BHP
Is interesting !! Our next TT ... breakfast + Lunch + Dinner + supper ... Support ... but is it PDRM will come to us by applying ISA instead of TORT.
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