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tango
It's sad for this iconic to be torn down. Unfortunately the powers that be are very fond of development at the expense of sacrificing heritage buildings. You don't see this happening in places like Singapore, EU, US, AUS.

I do understand the need for widening the neighbouring roads, but honestly, KL is already jam packed with developments north south east and west. Doing this at the expense of this historical building is not really going to make a big difference in easing congestion of human and vehicles in that area down.gif

Keep it up KL and very soon KL for Kuala Lumpur is really becoming KL for Kesesakan Lalulintas mad.gif
Jaguarah
Dammit, pudu jail used to be my most important landmark to reach the heart of KL......once u c the jail u know....'sudah dekat itu Sungai Wang'
altho it's been closed for years i think it should be retained and rebuild for historical purposes....
to bring down this building for the purpose of widening roads????
poor long term planning IMHO down.gif
redlancer99
very sad to see pudu jail been break down. i think the gov did not have sense on heritage. current parliment (<50 years) want to convert to heritage but pudu which more than 100 years want to break down.
i think commercial reason too strong to resist. take care own pocket first. down.gif
Phantom EX
QUOTE(Jaguarah @ Jun 22 2010, 07:42 AM) *
Dammit, pudu jail used to be my most important landmark to reach the heart of KL......once u c the jail u know....'sudah dekat itu Sungai Wang'
altho it's been closed for years i think it should be retained and rebuild for historical purposes....
to bring down this building for the purpose of widening roads????
poor long term planning IMHO down.gif


Ello Ello Bro Jag..Tak Lak Pakai itu GPS Ke..He He He...Anyway I beg to differ with our Bros...It is one LandMark that we can do without. If we graduated from a certain University we may want to remember our past there..For instance University Malaya etc. BUT when you were imprisoned there That's one thing you wanna forget. Staying in a small cubicle with limited lighting, rationed food, deprived of being with your love ones, and many more miseries. You fround at the Judge that put you there...(Not His Lordship Fault though..He He He). So Something You wanna erase from your mind.
Jaguarah
QUOTE(Phantom EX @ Jun 22 2010, 07:54 AM) *
Ello Ello Bro Jag..Tak Lak Pakai itu GPS Ke..He He He...Anyway I beg to differ with our Bros...It is one LandMark that we can do without. If we graduated from a certain University we may want to remember our past there..For instance University Malaya etc. BUT when you were imprisoned there That's one thing you wanna forget. Staying in a small cubicle with limited lighting, rationed food, deprived of being with your love ones, and many more miseries. You fround at the Judge that put you there...(Not His Lordship Fault though..He He He). So Something You wanna erase from your mind.


that part i agree.....but how many LGTC members imprisoned there before? whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif biggrin.gif
used to be mar bro PhantomEX......my student days when GPS still not widely used....
student somemore where got money to buy GPS...so lookout for Pudu Jail lo.... turned.gif
Phantom EX
QUOTE(Jaguarah @ Jun 22 2010, 07:58 AM) *
that part i agree.....but how many LGTC members imprisoned there before? whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif biggrin.gif
used to be mar bro PhantomEX......my student days when GPS still not widely used....
student somemore where got money to buy GPS...so lookout for Pudu Jail lo.... turned.gif


I used to go there to whip Naughty Guys (Joking la)..He He
onslaught
well they didn't manage to get hand on kampung baru...so pudu jail must go 1st...later kampung baru will follow suit...hopefully the kampung baru folks will stand united to protect their kampung heritage...lalalalalala....
suresh
Guess i gotta agree with bro Phantom on this..though its a heritage,i think its something we could do without..i am all for development to ease the city congestion...just hope that they dont go and put up a stupid toll booth there as well.... blink.gif
applemac
QUOTE(onslaught @ Jun 22 2010, 10:10 AM) *
well they didn't manage to get hand on kampung baru...so pudu jail must go 1st...later kampung baru will follow suit...hopefully the kampung baru folks will stand united to protect their kampung heritage...lalalalalala....

i used to live in kampung baru 1988-2003 as i remember..
onslaught
QUOTE(suresh @ Jun 22 2010, 10:34 AM) *
Guess i gotta agree with bro Phantom on this..though its a heritage,i think its something we could do without..i am all for development to ease the city congestion...just hope that they dont go and put up a stupid toll booth there as well.... blink.gif


hahaha...the toll booth is a must have iconic landmark when it come to ease traffic jam...as they say...it ain't cheap to build road...dun think this route oso FOC...lol...
suresh
QUOTE(onslaught @ Jun 22 2010, 10:43 AM) *
hahaha...the toll booth is a must have iconic landmark when it come to ease traffic jam...as they say...it ain't cheap to build road...dun think this route oso FOC...lol...

ya..i guess so...its true..then again..what else is new... biggrin.gif ...
silent7killer
bros, ada reason 1 why they tear down, widen the road... like ons said, include a lot of $$, then G say, not enough $$, so reduce subsidy lor... den add toll booth... increase road tax, fuel, makanan and etc... haha...
sorry kalau OT 1087.gif 1087.gif 1087.gif 1087.gif 1087.gif
kEvii
if u ask me...tearing it down in the name of development is just total BS...its more like money in their pocket

heritage site or not...its subjective matter... if tearing it down in the name of development..i'd like to see them convert it to a public park or sorts...already not enuff green lung areas in kl...

to make the road wider is total BS... one small stretch aint gonna make a difference..end in end..its gonna b a bottle neck jam...

on a separate note..i've visited pudu jail... not as an inmate lar...during those college days...can visit as tourist wat...feels kinda eerie in a way..but i must say..inmates are pretty creative... can make anything into a weapon...eitehr to dfend or kill someone la...
alxand_mitsubishi
the site will be used for condo n shops... so now who wan buy? sure haunted!!! imagine how many hanged???

sad it's gone... developement is a must, but torn it down dun help much...
there's land on opposite side of road!!!
beagle
I'm also not happy they did not keep Pudu jail as a tourist attraction. Foreigners love this kind of places. Just look at Alcatraz!

Too late already. The people at the top dun want to care. But, the very least, they should try to keep part of the mural on the wall in our National Museum. Our museum badly needs some new attraction.
tango
Indeed Pudu Jail is a heritage we would like to do without vis bad memories. But, IMHO it would've been better if they convert or renovate it into some museum or gallery blush.gif

Of course, the subsequent justification given is to redevelop this area into 40% Residential and 60% commercial...how in heaven's name is this going to ease traffic and human congestion into this already jam packed area blink.gif

Add to that, I'm sure the residential and commercial properties sold there will come with "special bonus" to the buyers...this spot is going to be haunted with all kind of criminal soul not RIP and also innocent souls that were executed there during World War 2 days nervous.gif Imagine meeting Botak Chin's soul and Takashi Kanegawa's soul and Mona Fandey's soul while you are having dinner or just about to sleep devil.gif run.gif

In relation to the road widening projects...indeed, the current trend is to build and toll it. I'll feel very sorry for the toll booth attendants working late night shift as there'll be uninvited "helpers" accompanying them in their respective cubicles scared2.gif

In any case, I'm not surprised, one of the strong influences in advocating the tearing down of the Pudu Jail (irrespective of whatever development reasons given by the press), may come from the Berjaya Group. I don't blame them as their Berjaya Times Square is just adjacent to Pudu Jail and their "prime view" units are actually facing the Pudu Jail premises. They don't mind the IPK view diagonally accross but Pudu Jail view smack right in front of them??? doh.gif
Phantom EX
QUOTE(alxand_mitsubishi @ Jun 23 2010, 12:16 AM) *
the site will be used for condo n shops... so now who wan buy? sure haunted!!! imagine how many hanged???

sad it's gone... developement is a must, but torn it down dun help much...
there's land on opposite side of road!!!

Don't worry Condos comes with 3 D Hantus from hanged Inmates....Package deal maa...On the toll isssue...well got to live with it as some died (hanged) with it..Huh Huh.
WillyVanilly
i thought they gonna built some business park or somthing there rite??? must be alot of gost there... nervous.gif
onslaught
hahaha...live sure taken it toll ady...lol...so how much per SF the land there? lalalalala...
RempitGurl
I had the privilege of going into Pudu Jail when I was doing my Chambering many moons ago, when Pudu Jail was still operating as a proper prison. Eventhough we (my Chambering mate and I) were only allowed into a small interview room located just inside the jail walls, it was an unforgettable experience.

At the appointed time, the big gates at the front opened with a loud clang and we were escorted into the jail by a prison warden. As I stepped over the threshold and the iconic Walls into the compound itself, I saw there is another huge and tall iron gate, all securely locked, separating the actual prison, the actual holding block, from the entrance. There is at least 10 feet of space between that iron gate and the main entrance. I remember having goosebumps upon seeing a group of at least 20 men, heads all shaved, wearing beige shirts and shorts, squatting on the cement ground just inside the iron gate. Some turned around to look curiously at my friend and I as we waited to be escorted into the interview room.

We were warned not to go up to the iron gate less we got accosted by the inmates from inside. We were warned not to touch them nor get too close to them. We were told to keep a safe distance, literally outside of arm's reach. And we were repeated told that some of Malaysia's toughest, meanest, baddest criminals are in there, so we must not be careless eventhough we were not actually IN the main holding block.

My fellow Chambee and I took up the Pudu Jail Programme and our duty were to interview inmates who needed legal representation but cannot afford to appoint one. As both of us are girls, the prison warden allocated inmates who were charged with non-violent crimes. Before they brought the inmates in, we were reminded not to get personal, not to give our personal details, not to give out our telephone numbers except that of the Bar Council/Legal Aid Centre. We are also not to give them pens or pencils or any thing that can be fashioned into a weapon! And the inmates brought to us were at all times handcuffed, with a prison warden standing nearby.

To tell the truth, the place felt cold and unforgiving eventhough I was only in the interview room. Eventhough the road just outside the jail is one of the busiest in KL, with the thick high Walls surrounding the jail, traffic noises were like yesterday's dream - muted and forgotten. lt was a place for bad people and the grim place reminds you 24/7 that because you are bad, you need to be locked away from society.

I remembered when I stepped out of the main entrance and the iron gate clanged shut BEHIND me, Gosh, was I glad to be in the sun, with dust, noise and pollution slamming into my face, nose and ears. I was glad to leave but it was an experience that I will never trade with anything.

To me, Pudu Jail IS iconic and should be preserved because it should serve as a reminder to everyone that crime does not pay and no matter how notorious you are, the long arms of the Law will still find and get you one day and justice will be served. It should be turned into a museum, and get retired prison wardens to act as walking guides, just like what they do at the 100++ year old Fremantle Prison in Fremantle, Western Australia. Make it an educational, eye-opening tour.

When I was there, you walk where the convicts walked before and see the inside out of Fremantle Prison. The guides also proudly showed me their Gallows and it was simply awesome. And this is how the Aussies have promoted their prison, which if compared to Pudu Jail, is not as colourful and historical ---> ( http://www.fremantleprison.com.au/Pages/default.aspx ) and ( http://www.fremantleprison.com.au/virtualtour/ )

...sigh...no one will appreciate legacies, history and heritage until it is all too late...




ferio94eg9
QUOTE(WillyVanilly @ Jun 23 2010, 09:44 AM) *
i thought they gonna built some business park or somthing there rite??? must be alot of gost there... nervous.gif


Replying to Fong's original question on the details of the development by UDA Holdings Berhad (UDA) on the site of the former prison and how the commercial lots were to be distributed, Awang Adek said the development was divided into six plots where construction works would be carried out in stages within a 10-year period.

UDA will build a mixed development project which will accommodate a transit centre, service apartments, offices, recreation centres, a hotel and business space. - Bernama


http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...&sec=nation
shah25
My wife's late grandfather was a warden there. Did not have the chance to hear any stories from him though cause he sadly passed away a few months before we were married.

After the prison was closed down for good in mid-90s, it was opened for tourists. Unfortunately, it did not attract the interest of tourists, be it local or foreign. I myself did not even bother to visit the iconic building of KL. My former housemate did. He said it was quite interesting especially when they were brought to the gallows. There they played the light and sound performance and the tourists were brought to "experience" how the life on an inmate ends. Well, that was his story.

The thing is, it is sad that the tour operator did not actively promote the prison as a tourist attraction. I do not know why. Maybe they didn't get any support from the government (Tourism Malaysia), or lack of funds, etc etc. Should they did a good job in promoting it, and the tourist keep on coming to visit, I believe the prison would not be brought down, as what we are seeing now.
RempitGurl
Just found out Freemantle Prison is included to be nominated as a World Heritage Site.
What the heck was our Ministry of Tourism doing all this while for our Pudu Prison?
Don't get it listed so you can tear it down, right? Sheesh!
dzul7228
QUOTE(RempitGurl @ Jun 23 2010, 10:42 AM) *
Just found out Freemantle Prison is included to be nominated as a World Heritage Site.
What the heck was our Ministry of Tourism doing all this while for our Pudu Prison?
Don't get it listed so you can tear it down, right? Sheesh!

yeah...what a waste
Jaguarah
RG, well said thumbsup.gif
tango
QUOTE(RempitGurl @ Jun 23 2010, 10:03 AM) *
I had the privilege of going into Pudu Jail when I was doing my Chambering many moons ago, when Pudu Jail was still operating as a proper prison. Eventhough we (my Chambering mate and I) were only allowed into a small interview room located just inside the jail walls, it was an unforgettable experience.

At the appointed time, the big gates at the front opened with a loud clang and we were escorted into the jail by a prison warden. As I stepped over the threshold and the iconic Walls into the compound itself, I saw there is another huge and tall iron gate, all securely locked, separating the actual prison, the actual holding block, from the entrance. There is at least 10 feet of space between that iron gate and the main entrance. I remember having goosebumps upon seeing a group of at least 20 men, heads all shaved, wearing beige shirts and shorts, squatting on the cement ground just inside the iron gate. Some turned around to look curiously at my friend and I as we waited to be escorted into the interview room.

We were warned not to go up to the iron gate less we got accosted by the inmates from inside. We were warned not to touch them nor get too close to them. We were told to keep a safe distance, literally outside of arm's reach. And we were repeated told that some of Malaysia's toughest, meanest, baddest criminals are in there, so we must not be careless eventhough we were not actually IN the main holding block.

My fellow Chambee and I took up the Pudu Jail Programme and our duty were to interview inmates who needed legal representation but cannot afford to appoint one. As both of us are girls, the prison warden allocated inmates who were charged with non-violent crimes. Before they brought the inmates in, we were reminded not to get personal, not to give our personal details, not to give out our telephone numbers except that of the Bar Council/Legal Aid Centre. We are also not to give them pens or pencils or any thing that can be fashioned into a weapon! And the inmates brought to us were at all times handcuffed, with a prison warden standing nearby.

To tell the truth, the place felt cold and unforgiving eventhough I was only in the interview room. Eventhough the road just outside the jail is one of the busiest in KL, with the thick high Walls surrounding the jail, traffic noises were like yesterday's dream - muted and forgotten. lt was a place for bad people and the grim place reminds you 24/7 that because you are bad, you need to be locked away from society.

I remembered when I stepped out of the main entrance and the iron gate clanged shut BEHIND me, Gosh, was I glad to be in the sun, with dust, noise and pollution slamming into my face, nose and ears. I was glad to leave but it was an experience that I will never trade with anything.

To me, Pudu Jail IS iconic and should be preserved because it should serve as a reminder to everyone that crime does not pay and no matter how notorious you are, the long arms of the Law will still find and get you one day and justice will be served. It should be turned into a museum, and get retired prison wardens to act as walking guides, just like what they do at the 100++ year old Fremantle Prison in Fremantle, Western Australia. Make it an educational, eye-opening tour.

When I was there, you walk where the convicts walked before and see the inside out of Fremantle Prison. The guides also proudly showed me their Gallows and it was simply awesome. And this is how the Aussies have promoted their prison, which if compared to Pudu Jail, is not as colourful and historical ---> ( http://www.fremantleprison.com.au/Pages/default.aspx ) and ( http://www.fremantleprison.com.au/virtualtour/ )

...sigh...no one will appreciate legacies, history and heritage until it is all too late...



I agree with RG 1000% thumbsup.gif

This is the problem with our country's policies...so obsessed with development and they never appreciate something they have until they no longer have it sad.gif

Sis RG, indeed, your experience is something money can never buy but nevertheless,you did your deed to the society with your noble involvement in Legal Aid thumbsup.gif 6654.gif

By the way, I'm glad and thankful I managed to collect a few pieces of the Pudu Jail broken concrete rubble. I'll keep it alongside my collection of broken pieces of the Berlin Wall and Bethlehem Wall.
RempitGurl
QUOTE(tango @ Jun 24 2010, 02:34 AM) *
By the way, I'm glad and thankful I managed to collect a few pieces of the Pudu Jail broken concrete rubble. I'll keep it alongside my collection of broken pieces of the Berlin Wall and Bethlehem Wall.



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alxand_mitsubishi
hopefully the new township planning is indeed a workable solution as so far as i remembered... our township plan is BS...
onslaught
look at PJ la...wat township plan? parking space oso can not provide...
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